tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32482128.post7478831791220362694..comments2023-10-28T04:29:15.608-07:00Comments on suethsayings: Permanent Weight loss only Possible with Surgery?Sue Joanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09733810024107526074noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32482128.post-2499583130199639412014-07-19T04:32:00.494-07:002014-07-19T04:32:00.494-07:00@Moose, there hasn't been a lot of research on...@Moose, there hasn't been a lot of research on the gastric sleeve but the third link did lead to a scientific article on it. By your comment and refusal to follow the third link and discounting the article, which analyzes the original article, you appeared to be pro WLS... The gastric sleeve is too new for much research however anything which basically removes the stomach, as I pointed out, greatly compromises the digestion of fats (we do need some) and protein, plus a thumb sized stomach would likely NOT produce "intrinsic factor" which is needed to digest B12... You don't need research to figure this out but only a working knowledge of how the digestive tract works which, interestingly many medical providers lack! Medical school apparently do not get that deeply into the micro and nuclear working of the GI tract! Which is why they CAN without guilt recommend WLS...the other reason is the faux idea that obesity kills which has been greatly disproven by studies of the Cooper Institute etc but which medical providers do not familiarize themselves with. Unfortunately, many medical providers limit their ongoing Ed to seminars provided by the pharmaceutical companies which tend to be very pro risky medications and surgery. A sad situation seeing as how many folks are under the false impression that the medical providers are knowledgeable on the subject.Sue Joanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09733810024107526074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32482128.post-59950033876405078242014-07-19T02:55:32.487-07:002014-07-19T02:55:32.487-07:00I have no idea why you think I am pro-WLS or why y...I have no idea why you think I am pro-WLS or why you think I need to (re-)see the research that shows the dangers of WLS. I said, "However, it also talks about WLS 'research' without linking to any actual research". I was talking about the article you linked, not your post.<br /><br />You are preaching to the choir. WLS is an abomination that should be wiped from the face of the Earth. It exists solely to make money for the jackals that perpetuate the myth that WLS is a path to health instead of the death and ill health it gives.<br /><br />My comments were that the <i>article</i> is a problem, not that WLS is good. The article discusses research <b>but does not link to any actual studies</b>. Saying that "Research shows that X causes Y" is pointless without pointing to the actual research. My experience is that at least 9 times out of 10, when an article nebulously talks about "research" but fails to link to actual studies, that's because the actual studies do not back the article's claims.<br /><br />Moosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10397412122635951126noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32482128.post-11849258957904749712014-07-19T02:27:44.143-07:002014-07-19T02:27:44.143-07:00@Moose, did you go to the THIRD link - that link D...@Moose, did you go to the THIRD link - that link DOES present the research... there is plenty of research which found that WLS is not only risky but not effective in many people... but here's some research just for you: WLS not effective - even a more invasive surgery like the gastric bypass: 34 percent failure rate in 10 years RYGB<br /><i>Annals of Surgery. 244(5):734-740, November 2006. Christou, Nicolas V. MD, PhD; Look, Didier MD; MacLean, Lloyd D. MD, PhD</i><br />And<br />A clinical study of 63 gastric bypass patients by Mitchell Roslin and associates, found that not only did 80 percent of the gastric bypass patients in their study suffer a RAVENOUS appetite soon after meals, but also experienced the almost uncontrollable urge to eat which did for many result in weight regain after the first year (the study went for 4 years). <br /><br /><i>Roslin M, et al "Abnormal glucose tolerance testing following gastric bypass" Surg Obesity Related Dis 2009; 5(3 Suppl): Abstract PL-205. </i><br /><br /><a href="http://www.medpagetoday.com/MeetingCoverage/ASMBS/14874" rel="nofollow"> Abnormal glucose tolerance after gastric bypass</a><br /><br />And<br /><br />Some of these side effects you would see with the sleeve also. <i>[Farrell TM, Haggerty SP, Overby DW, et al. Clinical application of laparoscopic bariatric surgery: an evidence-based review. Surg Endosc. 2009 Jan 6 (Published online).]</i><br /><br /><a href="http://bariatrictimes.com/the-duodenal-switch-revisited/" rel="nofollow"> Duodenal switch nutritional deficiencies</a><br /><br />Finally the Swedish Obesity study found all types of WLS ineffective for long term weight control (10 years) as well as ineffective for diabetes control. <i> New England Journal of Medicine: Volume 351:2683-2693 December 23, 2004 Number 26 Lifestyle, Diabetes, and Cardiovascular Risk Factors 10 Years after Bariatric Surgery Lars Sjostrom, M.D., Ph.D et al<br /></i>Sue Joanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09733810024107526074noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-32482128.post-69234315000887274432014-07-14T17:16:19.865-07:002014-07-14T17:16:19.865-07:00Your first two links go to the same place; I don&#...Your first two links go to the same place; I don't know if that was your intention.<br /><br />When that article brings up WLS it does say, "But most people will still be obese after the surgery. Plus, there are risky side effects, and many will end up gaining some of that weight back." Clearly this is not a completely pro-WLS story.<br /><br />However, it also talks about WLS "research" without linking to any actual research. I could say that "research shows that cherries are now looking more like blueberries" - without proof it's just so much twaddle.<br />Moosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10397412122635951126noreply@blogger.com